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Yes, the bit depth for ASIO is saved to the registry and loaded in the driver so no need for Asus or Cmedia Audio Panel to actually run.
Maybe JRiver Media Center has a audio bit depth related to Direct Sound and not ASIO, just like foobar has, and if you use ASIO as output then the ASIO bit-depth is used. But anyway, set both the same level, might not work with 32, so I think 24 is enough.
Thanks very much for the explanation. I've discovered that my ASIO Control Panel was set for 16 bits instead of 24, so guess I've been missing quite a bit - or lots of bits!
Rod
Next time ,please try to summarize your comments and not post more comments one after another like you did now.
Lets start with 1.50 drivers, in your case you might not need to install them, but if you want to try them make sure you have enabled Test mode if you have Win7(or Vista) x64 and follow the instructions MasterFaster posted for you below.
The "install anyway" is only related to unsigned WHQL drivers, which is different from the current case with 1.50
As for settings: make sure once you installed the Uni Xonar drivers you dont change any of the settings or anything especially enable GX or SVN.
Let the output set to 44.1 KHz. If you have 5.1 speaker system then set the number of speakers to 5.1 and output channels to 6. If you still aren't satisfied with how it sounds in BF3 and have 5.1 speakers try changing the settings just like in this picture.
An important thing: check the speakers position to be sure you have connected them properly.
And another one: I am going to be converting our 5.1 system to Active Crossovers on the 3 front speakers. We will need to end up with 9 channels of analog outputs for everything. We have an Essence ST with H6 Daughter Card and could buy another Essence ST card for a total of 10 available channels.
Is there any way that the two cards can be synchronized?
Thank you for any suggestions.
Rod
I for one have no idea.
Okay - thanks.
Rod
Asus simply sucks.. and sometimes their compatibility with their own stuff is worse than using it with other manufactures products.
Probably they need to make another firmware update, but no one at Asus cares or will acknowledge that there might be a problem.
To my knowledge D1 and DX are the same, DS on the other hand is worse. Change it with D1 or better ask for a refund and buy a Creative card as its much safer this way.
Yeah, the original computer I had my Xonar DX in had an Asus motherboard, and whenever the Xonar was installed it prevented one of the two on-board SATA controllers from working. ASUS claimed they couldn't reproduce the issue in-house, so I made sure to use an eVGA motherboard for my next desktop.
Well, even with updated firmware and latest drivers 1.50 exp1 there problem is still here. Heard it once since I wrote my fist post today
I'm giving up and returning this card on Monday
I could paste here extensive measuring for all Xonar cards, but it's in Czech language so description would be unreadable for you. Anyway, what they've found is that DX beats D1 in term of sound quality
If any of you have any helpful suggestions I'm happy to hear it 🙂
Thx
PS: From previous experiences (my own) Creative SW/Drivers sux even more than Asus
I'm glad that I don't have the noise issue. Sounds horrible 😉
About loosing the right speaker: Why has it started a few weeks ago? The sound configuration I'm using is the same since six months or even more. Furthermore I'm using a Gigabyte MB. In that case I don't think it is related to incompatibilities with your ASUS MB. At least the latter issue is not.
Maybe AMDs new mb drivers are the reason for this problem. I'm not sure if it is coincidence or not. But at that time I also began using an A/V Receiver (via SPDIF). So it may as well be associated with switching between SPDIF and headphones.
I also noticed no change in my configuration/OS except some Win 7 x64 updates.
I've got Intel C2D so there isn't any AMD stuff, but I also have got AMD/ATI VGA card. But the driver's wasn't updated since the OS has been installed.
( I did that 3 times last year due to SSD HDD failure)
That sound scared the s**t out of me just moment ago. What is interesting it's alway appear when I'm playing no music. I never ever heard that when there was some music playing in background
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stanik_sk :
I also noticed no change in my configuration/OS except some Win 7 x64 updates.
I’ve got Intel C2D so there isn’t any AMD stuff, but I also have got AMD/ATI VGA card. But the driver’s wasn’t updated since the OS has been installed.
( I did that 3 times last year due to SSD HDD failure)
That sound scared the s**t out of me just moment ago. What is interesting it’s alway appear when I’m playing no music. I never ever heard that when there was some music playing in background
Well, fixed by purchasing Xonar DS for PCI slot. Sound quality doesn't seems to be that awesome as on DX card. I also noticed that there is no headphone amplifier so my HD600 doesn't sound that great anymore.. Anyway, I have no problems with issues I noticed before.. But change DX for DS is a step back!
PS: These drivers doesn't work with DS card 🙁
Which drivers? 1.51 , 1.41, both?
@MasterFaster
Thanks for your time & help.
Should I enable the Stereo upmix? or any other settings on the install?
Just use the PC for movies on 2 speaker setup, and gaming on stereo headphones.
Thanks again.
I have deleted the other comment, please read my reply to one of you comments above!
If you have 2.0 speakers and Headphones, you cannot have surround by selecting 6 or 8 channels. If its 2.0 then let the sound output and channels to 2.0. Because of this, everyone was assuming you where using sound speakers/headphones and this is probably the cause of the problem not hearing all the sounds.
Don't enable Stereo Upmix.
As a general rule if you don't know what something does, don't enable (thick it), read about it first.
OK, sorry I missed your post, I've read it now.
I am a bit confused now though. I thought you had to use 8 channels for gaming, 6 for my audio that shows to be 6 channel dolby. So was setting that at 6, and 2 for stereo.
Will start again using just 2 channels as that's what I have 😉
TY
@JP just select "2-CH" and select "2 Speakers" when using the desktop speakers.
When you use your headset, select "headphones" and turn on "Dolby Headphone" for surround sound thru them.Optionally, use "GX / Xear 3D" enabled for games that use EAX.
Hope that clears things up a bit. 😉
Sorry AGAIN CarvedIns, without edit post what's a guy to do.
Just wanted to say that the issues are nothing to do with your drivers or the install.
My massive graphics card coolers fan, was touching the end of the sound card, took it off and its perfect.
Don't worry I will not post here again unless I have proper issue.
Thanks.
I'm confused on the differenced between "7.1 virtual speaker shifter" , Dolby pro Logic IIx, and EX XEAR 3D are.
I just want to play Battlefield 3 and other PC games with a set of Stereo headphones (Audiotechnia ATH-M50) with the best surround sound available.
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peanutplanters :
I’m confused on the differenced between “7.1 virtual speaker shifter” , Dolby pro Logic IIx, and EX XEAR 3D are.
I just want to play Battlefield 3 and other PC games with a set of Stereo headphones (Audiotechnia ATH-M50) with the best surround sound available.
7.1 virtual speaker shifter: The Xonar's configuration panel (Audio Channel or System Input setting) lets you lie to Windows and say that you have more speakers than you really do, and it uses some algorithm with virtual speakers to decide how to downmix to your real ones. The speaker shifter lets you adjust where those virtual speakers are in the virtual space. However, you should generally just set the input number of speakers equal to your number of real speakers.
Dolby Pro Logic IIx: Most stereo (2.0) music is actually encoded with some form of Dolby Surround that can be decoded to 5.1 or even 7.1. If you want the Xonar to do this for you (instead of relying on your speaker amp to do it), you can set the Audio Channel / System Input to 2 Channels and then activate Dolby Pro Logic IIx decoding. This is useless if you only have stereo speakers. Also, you don't generally want to use this for games, because most of them have native 5.1 and/or 7.1 support.
GX/Xear3D: Windows Vista and 7 made sound card EAX support more difficult to achieve. The GX/Xear3D setting enables an EAX->OpenAL wrapper (like Creative Alchemy) that provides EAX support. It's very important that you only enable this for old pre-Vista games that specifically mention having EAX support, however, as it can cause crashes or other problems with newer games that are programmed to work specifically with the new Vista/Win7 audio stack.
Since you're using stereo headphones, you'll probably want to set Audio Channel / System Input to 2 Channels, and Analog Out to Headphone. Or, if you want to try Dolby virtual surround downmixing of 5.1/7.1 to headphone stereo (may make it easier to tell in games when sounds are supposed to be coming from behind you), try setting Audio Channel / System Input to 6 or 8 Channels, Analog Out to Headphone, and Dolby Headphone to enabled.
Thanks. A follow up question, what settings should I use for the Windows speaker configuration? Stereo or 5.1/7.1?
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peanutplanters :
Thanks. A follow up question, what settings should I use for the Windows speaker configuration? Stereo or 5.1/7.1?
You shouldn’t have to worry about it: When you set the virtual speaker count on the Asus/C-Media configuration panel via the Audio Channel / System Input setting, it should automatically change the Windows speaker to the matching setting. If it doesn’t do that for some reason, then you’ll want to manually set it to whatever you decide to set for the Audio Channel / System Input setting.
@RideTheWhiteHorse
Regarding your comment, I want to say that I won't approve it in this form because in principle I have a problem with the way you wrote it.
You could have started like this: "Tried 1.50 and I find that they sound worse, the bass is....
I have Xonar DX and Win7 x64 ...". Someone else said that the quality of the bass is, so if more people confirm this then yeah these drivers are problematic, but less discuss this in a more diplomatic manner.
Then, most of your complaining regarding 1.41 drivers is irrelevant to the topic of discussion and isn't actually related to how 1.41 drivers perform, volume problems are actually just like those from Asus original drivers. And how the bass feels and sounds (I guess your comparing it to how it sounded on a Creative card) might be related to how the Xonar sound cards produce them and not how the driver makes it.
This being said, your comments will only create confusion especially to people wanting to try the drivers (i am talking about 1.41)
I arrived here due to an issue with my STX card. Line in has a latency with the official (my ass) driver . Here's another user who has similar issue : http://tinyurl.com/6mgoe6w
Is UniXonar solving that issue?
Intentionally, no. But your safest bet is to try the latest drivers (who knows, maybe C-Media fixed this in 1796) and with C-Media panel option in UNi installer.
BTW how do you measure the line in latency?
Hey CarvedIns, I've been having some issues with Battlefield 3 causing full-system lock-ups on my machine. I'd heard a rumour that it could be sound related so I took my ASUS D2X out of my machine and re-enabled my on-board audio. Sure enough, it never crashed whilst I was using the on-board. Could this be driver related? Is it sloppy programming @EA's end? And will the newer 1796 drivers help possibly?
Its both. I have read that there are some BF3 has some issues with sound. I suspect you have GX disabled, try changing the sound "mode" in BF3 to headphones , at least this is how I remember someone else recommended. If this is no good try the 1796 drivers, one of the reasons I wanted to make them publicly available is so that maybe they offer some fixes here and there.
I was using the C-Media Panel, so GX is disabled by default then, isn't it? Are you saying that I should have had it enabled or disabled? Out of interest, where did the 1796 drivers comes from? They aren't available direct from ASUS for the D2X, are they from another card?
Yes its disabled. I am saying it should be disabled.:)
They are from Auzentech X-Meridian drivers.
In which case, I believe I had all the settings as-described. I've tried a re-install of the card + drivers; starting off with the official ones 1st, then I'll switch to UNi 1796 if that fails. Shame though because it's a fantastically fun game, but I can't stand having to remove hardware for the sake of 1 program. Gr.
There is a serious problem with the latest experimental driver (1.50exp1) and Xonar DX / D1 cards (OS: Windows 7 32-bit).
I've experienced the exact same issues as other people who tried this driver: overpowering and muddy bass, raspy echoes / ringing, tinny mids and muffled high frequencies. The sound quality was shockingly bad.
Downgrading to the previous version fixed all those nasty issues. The sound quality with v1.41 is almost perfect.
Does this issue occure with the original driver as well? I'm using a Xonar DX and I dont have this problem. And I have installed 1.50exp1 with this in mind, so I should have noticed it. Which version do u use (C-Media or Asus Panel)?
He stated that this was with 1.50 drivers which based on 1796, there are no original Xonar drivers based on this version. Soul you have Win7 x64 right? Its important that we have these details and everyone who tested 1.50 share his input on this issue.. Its either OS related or maybe some kind of setting trigger this..
The 1.50 drivers sound fine to me on XP x64 with DX card, and while testing them on Win7 x64 for the UNi package I didn't notice differences. Maybe I will fire up Win7 again to check again.
I haven't noticed any 5.1 analog sound quality issues with v1.50 Exp1 on Win7 x64 + Xonar DX.
One thing to note is that Windows 7 has some audio "enhancements" that can mess up the audio stream, but they can be disabled: http://technicallyeasy.net/2010/09/how-to-disable...
Oh I wasn't aware that the xonar driver 1796 has not been released yet. Right, I have win7 x64. Furthermore I am using the C-Media Panel GX off. Regarding the settings: No enhancements besides downmixing 6ch to 2ch. SPDIF Output with DDL is fine as well. If you need futher information, feel free to ask.
Hello, this is my first post here after finding these drivers. My system although not top end has shown improvement with the latest release. Win 7 64 new install. i5 2500k 2nd Gen, 8GB ram, x2 ATI 5770 crossfire cards, Asus Xonar DX (New). I had the driver install error also 🙁 but in test mode all is good 🙂
Cleaned with driversweeper all Asus audio traces.
It is a shame about the fp headphones switch, whjich I use a lot so click the exe and heard it click over ok. But it does not click back when I click the off exe and I have to open the Asus panel. Which brings me to my favourite bit the large HiFi effect silver volume know....which I like and why other than the fp switch I use this Asus panel. I have tried to find an actual working Win 7 free gadget showing a nice looking large volume knob but so far failed to find one without bugs or malware. Suggestions welcome.
I read about the cons of using the Asus panel but with the fp exe off switch just not working it makes sense right now for me to carry on using the Asus panel. If someone can help me fix the switching error and find a nice windows gadget for a large volume knob then I'll be very happy, as the improvement over the Asus drivers is very noticeable to me while using J River MC 17.0.64 beta.
I did try the ASIO driver but I found no volume adjustment on the computer at all except for the JRiver internal which jumps and clicks and jumps... and is not to my liking. So am trying to decide between the other 2 excellent WASAPI options.
Game wise, BF3 for me, works fine in 2 ch, or 6 ch with Dolby for effect like suggested. Or I can use my Rocat Kave 5.1 USB which has its own digital sound.
So for me the fp switches not working post the first time I switched to fp, and the large volume knob as an aesthetic thing, and a new option for the ASIO volume control.
I look forward to your next release of this driver.
i really need your help guys please help me ... i just bought the xonar d1 pc 7.1 and i dont feel that works as needs to work
i have the 540x loguitech 5.1
well my confugaration in the software is channel 2 because if i put another channel just 2 spekers works i dont know why .. i think thats the problem, if someone know how can i fix that(use a chanel high to get more quality) i will be very preciated.
the sample rate i put 192 kz
analog out : 5.1
guys im so sorry about my english ... in resume i just want to know how to get a great sound of this sound card i heard that its a great sond card to music games whatever ... but i feel its does not work good ... the question is How to configurate to get a high quality of sound with 5.1
the channel must to be 2 ? i dont know
please help me
i use the win 7 64b operation
Do you want to upmix stereo files to 5.1? How this can be achieved is described in the FAQ (http://maxedtech.com/uni-xonar-faq-troubleshooting-guide/):
"Since the new installer, there is an option when selecting components before the actual driver install called “Enable stereo upmix to 4,5.1 and 7.1″, so tick it out."
Furthermore you should set the "System Input" according to the number of channels the content provides:
MP3, AAV, WMA, very old games... = 2CH
DTS, AC3 5.1 = 6CH
DTS EX, newer 3D Games = 8CH
If you don't check “Enable stereo upmix to 4,5.1 and 7.1″ stereo sources will be played with 2 CH, even if you choose 5.1 as Analog Output.
@Soul: I find that confusing, since I'm pretty sure that in the Xonar configuration panel you can also set 2CH input and 5.1 output, then enable Dolby Pro Logic IIx and it will do surround decoding. Is the upmixing somehow different? For example, does it just mirror the stereo to the rear speakers, or does it actually do some kind of surround decode?
What I'd really like to see is something that lets me choose 6CH input and 5.1 output, but still have stereo streams go through a Dolby Pro Logic IIx decode to become 5.1. This would allow me to play games that have native 5.1 sound support, while also getting 5.1 sound in their stereo-encoded cutscene audio.
I actually used to do this under Windows XP with a Creative SB Live card using the kX Project drivers, but it only worked because most games used WaveOut for cutscene audio and DirectSound3D for 5.1 game audio. I don't think those concepts exist in the same way with the "new" Windows Vista/7 audio stack, and I'm pretty sure that's why you now have to specify in the Xonar config panel how many input channels you want to work with.
P.S. Someone also mentioned that the upmix option in the driver install might have the opposite effect (disable rather then enable upmixing)? It would be really helpful if Carved could document it a little better, but I understand that it's probably not a priority.
Okay then I've misinterpreted the FAQ. I don't like some of those upmixing methods, but you're right, I should have mentioned the alternatives. Futhermore I prefer WASAPI, but it'll be more complicated if you consider using WASAPI instead of DirectSound:
1. No sound effects will bei used. So 7.1 Speaker Shift or Dolby Pro Logic IIx won't work.
2. You have to choose 6CH as System Input, even for stereo sources in order to have 5.1. But dont ask me how the upmixing works in this mode 😉 In my opinion this setup provides the best experience when listening to music or movies.
I've tried using 2CH Input -> SPDIF DDL or PCM 6 Channel and the sound is only applied to the front speakers. Even my A/V Receiver refuses to upmix the stereo sound in this configuration. (“Enable stereo upmix to 4,5.1 and 7.1″ is NOT checked.)
You're right, I would love to see an option to set different effects/filters to different sound streams as well. Maybe something like that would be possible with WASAPI+Direct Sound since WASAPI bypasses most effects [LFE Crossover works] and therefore these two would be handled differently. But I don't know if games are capable of WASAPI.
In regards to the volume mixer windows notices different sound streams. So maybe Windows can handle them differently, even DirectSound/WAV Streams.
Probably CarvedInside can give us more information.
If we're talking about movies over SPDIF/TOSLINK, then the best configuration hands-down is to set 2CH input, SPDIF PCM (no DDL) output, and then use SPDIF pass-thru in your movie player software (I use VLC mostly). Then, set your speakers to do Dolby ProLogic IIx decoding of stereo. This will pass bit-perfect AC3/DTS streams to your speakers for native 5.1 movies, while relying on your speakers to do surround decoding of surround-encoded stereo movies/music/streams.
It really only gets complicated if you're talking instead about games with mixed stereo and 5.1/7.1 content.
for me, I just went back to using analog, as it was easier and sounds as good or better, the main issue with optical on the DX is that I cant have it encode DTS(need a hack for that!!!) so im stuck with dolby mode and it only passes 16/44 rather then full quality(alot of my music is higher then that)
I know its not a big thing, but It bugs my ocd when somethings not quite rite.....drives me buggy....
One thing I have noticed the default 192khz setting causes some games to reverse front and rear audio randomly....
also ffdshow 32bit float point audio output mode causes dshow media players to fail to play(not lock up or crash, the video/audio just wont advance when you hit play), this was not an issue with realtek audio or any other card I have owned.
Im not sure why, but it only effects some videos and not others....
other then that, Its All Good, and i can just disable 32bit float and use 32bit int output instead....
I like this card, but it does have its bugs...but then again, so do all other soundcards on the market......creative in my exp dealing with x-fi cards is no better.....and sometimes worse....
I'm using analog these days too, but I honestly can't tell the difference. DDL is supposed to be 16/48, not 16/44. If you're listening to stereo music, you should use uncompressed stereo SPDIF/PCM instead of DDL anyways.
Agree.