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  1. WG Grace14 Jul 2013 @ 17:06

    Any issues with the BASS audio library when reading audio from an Asus Xonar card? I have a program based on BASS that works fine inputting audio from a creative X-Fi Wave input, but I just get a stuttering series of clicks fom the Asus, using these drivers (at 44.1 kHz). However, ASIO output from my program seems to work fine with the Asus and these drivers.

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  2. Zeeshan Choudhry15 Jul 2013 @ 18:01

    Hey, Thank you very much for your work. I just installed 1.71 on WIndows 8.1 using Test mode. Now can I disable Test Mode or is there any way to get rid of "Test Mode" watermark?

    If its possible to disable Test mode, can someone please reply me commands to disable the test mode. Thanks

    Asus Xonar D2X
    Windows Blue 8.1 Preview x64

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    • CarvedInside16 Jul 2013 @ 17:09

      If you've enabled Test mode with the batch files from me, there is a batch file for disabling Test Mode in there. On that page there is also linked info about how to remove the watermark, but I don't know if it will work for Win 8.1.

      Drivers (without DHT addons) should work fine without test mode for your card, don't think Win 8.1 preview changes things. Try without Test Mode, and try installing the drivers again.

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      • Zeeshan Choudhry17 Jul 2013 @ 14:13

        I tried installing without Test Mode first, but installer gave me "Digital Signature error" (drivers were not installed). Then I enabled the Test Mode and re-installed, this time installer did not issue any warning/error but still no sound. But after a restart everything worked fine.

        I have been using your drivers on windows XP/7/8, never had such issue. I guess there some new driver signature enforcement in Windows 8.1.

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  3. semtexxl19 Jul 2013 @ 16:42

    I want to ask for long term problem with my card. Maybe it's not even related to xonar driver but some other undiscovered issue. This issue occurs with any driver/operating system I have ever tried. It's like something is wrong with sound as it sounds muffled and no so sharp with less fidelity. Also bass is getting weaker by some time and then again “disappear” like everything is going in some strange cycle. Then again bass is back but with opposite effect: very deep bass also in sub/satellites. I have no idea how I solved this before or it will magically vanishes in some time and come back again. What bothers me the most when I don't know what is cause/solution. Maybe dying PSU or maybe something totally different related with my pc components?! My card is Xonar D2X.

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    • Bruno Ferreira19 Jul 2013 @ 16:52

      Everything you've described says "bad cables" to me.

      Have you test using headphones and disconnecting all the speakers?

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      • semtexxl19 Jul 2013 @ 17:11

        Thanks for the response. I thought about the same thing and already tried it wit borrowed Sennheiser HD 555 with custom golden plated/shielded cable with same effect. BTW This problem sometimes depends on reinstalling the driver for different version but it have totally no logic.. sometimes it work sometimes not and still I can't get rid of that annoying bass cycle if you want to call it this way. The result is constantly changing sound signature. Right now it's muddy, more forward with highs sounding more like mids-blanket on speakers, boomy sound. Sometimes it's wonderful sound with deep defined bass, crystalline highs and very relaxed laidback signature. I will try any other cables but for now it looks I'm totally lost. Last chance is try card it totally different pc.

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        • Bruno Ferreira19 Jul 2013 @ 17:22

          Well, I presume you already tried this too, but here goes: disable all sound enhancements: EQ, EAX, Dolby Headphone, etc.

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  4. semtexxl19 Jul 2013 @ 17:28

    That's good tip however I prefer totally flat sound through the wasapi with no enhancements. I consider them as destroying of the original sound. Best sound source, pressing is my friend. 😉

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    • semtexxl19 Jul 2013 @ 22:32

      ok I gave up. I have absolutely no idea what may be the “trigger” to get right audio without boomy, bloated and distorted sound. All uni drivers with the same result, tried different cables, another floppy power connector in my pc without success. 🙁 It will be the same scenario as always. When you don't expect it sound will get back to normal by chance or anything causing this ultra annoying behavior. F***

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      • Bruno Ferreira19 Jul 2013 @ 23:53

        Last desperate ideas:
        1) do you have the speaker levels set to 75 or less?

        2) are you 101% sure you have the speakers plugged in correctly, that is, L/R in front, etc? Because boomy and bloated sound usually happened when I made a mistake and plugged the front speakers or headphones in the sub out, and I actually spent half an hour diagnosing the "problem".

        3) ensure that you're not redirecting sub frequencies to front speakers, if you have a sub. To verify this, disable FlexBass (or hell, try enabling it and see what happens).

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      • Bruno Ferreira20 Jul 2013 @ 00:00

        Actually, I think I got a pretty good idea: you may have microphone monitoring enabled. That would explain why the boominess comes and goes. Ensure that all of your INPUTS are muted.

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        • semtexxl20 Jul 2013 @ 00:10

          Thanks again for trying to help I really appreciate it. Here we go by your point:
          1) I'm using 72% volume
          2) Yes all respond correct to test no problem here.
          3) FlexBass is working however I have a feeling that even after filtering there is too much bass left in front speakers causing muddy sound
          Mic monitoring is disabled by default and I don't use it anyway only microphone boost is checked
          You mean absolutely all even mic muted? There are two others but I have already tried mute them with no result. (Digital output and Converter)

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          • Bruno Ferreira20 Jul 2013 @ 00:19

            Well, assuming you also have the card set up to 2 channels / 2 speakers when you're testing with the headphones, I'm all out of ideas 🙁

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            • semtexxl20 Jul 2013 @ 00:27

              That's ok because I know for sure the sound will be resurrected again and then will die like always. 😉

              BTW Now comes to my mind that I had exactly the same problem with very old Creative Sound Blaster in PCI slot under win xp sp2. Exactly the same thing. No matter what audio hardware I installed in my MB it was causing problems. Now I don't remember about onboard audio....

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              • CarvedInside21 Jul 2013 @ 16:05

                This kind of issues are very hard to identify. Could be the card, could be the connections, could be the speakers/amp, could be the drivers, it could be because of other software installed. You should try using your onboard sound card for a few days and see if you have issues with that too. Then depending on the result, if you haven't had issues then maybe try the Xonar card in another PC. Other things you should consider, try playing through Direct Sound instead of WASAPI, try with a different player ,make temporary Windows install (on another partition or VHD) and install only audio drivers and audio player.

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                • semtexxl25 Jul 2013 @ 16:00

                  After a long time I finally got my sound back. The problem is that if I can reproduce all steps again on new win copy or even with upgrading to the latest unixonar driver. I still don't have a clue where is the problem. For this time I better wrote all my steps. Firstly I tried audio with my onbord. It was harder to install as I remember but I finally managed to get driver through the windows update. Sound was nowhere near as muddy and distant, lifeless like with xonar. (of course when xonar operate properly my onboard sounds like a joke) Here are my next steps in points:

                  1. Uninstall Uni drivers
                  2. Turn off my pc and unplug all cables from the card
                  3. Turn on pc again, install Driver Sweeper and clean all remains of the old driver (there was some remaining registry entries even when DS reporting as clear in directory: HKEY_CURRENT_USER-Software-C-Media, CMEDIA)
                  4.) I found some strange thing in Device manager called “Multimedia audio controller” with warning that there is no installed driver for the selected device. (my onboard was disabled in bios so WTF?!) I surely disabled/forbid it and restart pc.
                  5.) Install Unixonar 1.70 with C-Media (GX Enabled) and again restart pc. I believe here is some strange bug with uni drivers asking for pc restart and if you do so restart window is hanging and waits for installation being completed by clicking Finish.

                  Sound is back with fantastic clarity as I remember. Previously installed driver caused so bad sound presentation that even cd mastered with Pre-Emphasis with no correction on output through the convolver plugin sounded muddy!

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                  • CarvedInside25 Jul 2013 @ 18:16

                    Just a thought next time you have issues, try installing C-Media panel without GX. And another thought, if your card has separate power connection you might want to check that connection.
                    Regarding installer bug at step 5, thanks will check it out. Now just so you know, you usually don't have to restart after installation.

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                    • semtexxl25 Jul 2013 @ 19:46

                      I tried install all uni drivers from 1.41 to 1.70 (1.71 has that nasty bug with wasapi) even with C-Media without GX and the sound was the same (bad). I believe this issue has something to do with my PSU but I'm not sure because I didn't touch anything inside (cables) my pc and the sound changed right in that moment. I also noticed some strange values for my CPU fan speeds through the Speedfan program while issue was occurring like it goes faster or slower as it should. I can't describe it better.

  5. Reid Johnson20 Jul 2013 @ 20:39

    Just wanted to say that these drivers are awesome! Thanks for making these and having them available. Went from so many problems with my DG to none! cannot praise enough.

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  6. thestuntman21 Jul 2013 @ 14:09

    Is there a way to swap between 2 and 6 speakers using an autoit script or something similar, as it is a bit of a pain to have to go into c-panel or windows sound setting to swap between Stereo speakers for music and 5.1 for everything else

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    • CarvedInside21 Jul 2013 @ 16:17

      Probably it will work but you don't have to switch from between 2 and 6 speakers since if you set to 6 speakers and have the correct settings there shouldn't be a problem playing music on only the 2 speakers while having 6 speakers enabled. Please read FAQ:Q&A9.

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      • thestuntman21 Jul 2013 @ 16:52

        I assume you mean by setting the output in whatever program I am using to play music to just Stereo and not 5.1, because as it is now with my system input set to 6 speakers (i play games and watch movies more often than listen to music), all my music is being played in 5.1 rather than stereo. I am using foobar2000 to play music btw

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      • thestuntman21 Jul 2013 @ 17:00

        If i leave my System Input at 6 channels, then any music sounds hollow, but if i put it on Stereo, music sounds just like it should.

        I use ffdshow to upmix stereo into 5.1 for movies anyway. Seems to work ok if I disable Stereo upmix for the Xonar card using the standalone app.

        I guess this is the only way i can get the card to do what I want it to do

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        • propheticus21 Jul 2013 @ 18:01

          If foobar2000 outputs stereo it doesn't matter whether or not you have 6 (5.1) speakers input set in the C-Media control. It will just output stereo (!assuming you've left stereo upmixing off!) and the other 4.1 channels output nothing. Don't enable the dolby headphone though.

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          • thestuntman22 Jul 2013 @ 03:33

            Yeah the issue was that i had Stereo Upmix enabled from last time i reinstalled the Uni Xonar Drivers, Disanling works fine now it seems. 5.1 sound from ffdshow for movies, games work fine and foobar2000 pumps out stereo for music as it should. Thanks for the help

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            • Zeeshan Choudhry24 Jul 2013 @ 14:10

              I've been using Foobar with ASIO and Channel Mixer (for 2.0 to 5.1), never looked back. Using ASIO makes sound quality awesome. My personal experience is that Channel mixer works far better than ffdshow for music playback.

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              • propheticus26 Jul 2013 @ 01:17

                Asio =/= better than DirectSound (win vista/7 and later). Stop feeding this myth. Asio is meant for using low latency (MIDI) instruments and specific recording situations and offers no audio quality improvements for regular music playback.

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                • Bruno Ferreira26 Jul 2013 @ 01:40

                  What might be happening is that enabling ASIO cuts out any EQ, effects, surround simulation, etc. So the music sounds "better".

                  This is why I tell everyone to leave any and all effects off unless you're very well aware of what they do. Music was mastered by professionals to begin with.

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                  • Christoph Leipold26 Jul 2013 @ 04:12

                    I totally agree with Bruno Ferreira. Its 100% right!!!

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                    • Christoph Leipold26 Jul 2013 @ 04:18

                      And btw ASIO is not using Windows Kernel what increases audio quality dramatically too under Windows besides of other things.

                    • propheticus26 Jul 2013 @ 15:34

                      Outdated info after windows XP. With Win XP you're right. Vista and > ...not so much. But hey, whatever floats your goat.

  7. Shinji Ikari24 Jul 2013 @ 13:28

    I have the same exact problems i did with the Asus drivers..sound is lagged, but works wonderfully with headphones, which is useless for me since i got a great 5.1 surround sound system for my computer thats basically useless now. Any ideas why this is occuring with a brand new install of Windows with no previous drivers isntalled?

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    • CarvedInside25 Jul 2013 @ 18:30

      What about when using onboard audio card with your 5.1 speakers?
      What Xonar card and OS do you have? Using analog or digital output?
      Try this: uninstall your current drivers, install the UNi Xonar drivers and don't enable any option other than setting 5.1 speakers and 6 channels.

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      • Shinji Ikari27 Jul 2013 @ 14:37

        Onboard sound works fine always has, but dosent give full surround sound quality since its basic onboard sound. Xonar DG using Digital Output(problem works with Digital or Not) on Win7 64 .... The only drivers i have installed are the Uni Xonar drivers.

        But i did as you suggested and re-installed with the Uni Xonar drivers, with only thing set is 5.1 with 6 channels and same problem, Sound is lagged but works fine for headphones, go figure.

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        • CarvedInside27 Jul 2013 @ 15:23

          Open regedit and search for: LsRsDelay , you should find it and its Data field should be 00 00 00 00. If this is OK then from UNi Xonar drivers point of view things are fine. Could be the card.

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  8. red5goahead26 Jul 2013 @ 10:38

    Let me give you a suggest for this page. I use changedetection.com service to monitor several sources in the web including yours.
    The problem is that there is a single page with the comments and the their counter. So the service send me a warning, daily. Is it possibile to have an additional page with the product information with any comment?

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    • CarvedInside27 Jul 2013 @ 12:09

      You mean without any comments? While I understand that this might be a problem for you, currently I don't plan to do such a change. Maybe you can make configure the service to make some exceptions or to check within weeks instead of days.

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  9. totallydubbedhd26 Jul 2013 @ 21:00

    Hi there Carve!
    I remember posting here a while ago - thanks again for your contributions, however I have come across this problem a few times and it has been bugging me - static noise plays through the DX, and only way to resolve it is a restart.
    Any ideas?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEwVKf5acBU

    Thanks

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    • CarvedInside27 Jul 2013 @ 12:23

      I am leaning towards that this is because of a hardware malfunction of the sound card, but can be 100% sure. Could also be the drivers or some conflict with something else installed.
      What you should try: disable GX (Install drivers with C-media Panel without GX), install the 1.64 drivers as they where more "tested". You should also try playing through the onboard card for some time and see if you got the problem with that too.

      Let us know of any developments.

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      • totallydubbedhd27 Jul 2013 @ 12:30

        Thanks a lot for the reply - I'll install 1.64 right now - (I also don't do the GX enabled one).
        I'll also give the official ASUS ones a try. Might jsut RMA it within the year of purchase with the reseller, before I would have to deal with noob-sus directly for their shoddy work.

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  10. lumzi2328 Jul 2013 @ 23:06

    3 tips if you have undulating sound quality:

    1. Make sure the only things connected to the card are the molex connector and PCI express connection you slotted the the card into. If you see a connector named "HD Audio" or anything like that STAY AWAY FROM IT. Don't connect it to the card. In fact don't connect it to ANYTHING!

    2. Disable on board sound from the motherboard bios. Obvious but worth mentioning again.

    3. Finally make sure there are no other audio thingagoo's going on. For instance, disabling the sound of you graphics card is a good idea.

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    • PTmax29 Jul 2013 @ 08:58

      Never heard the "HD Audio" causing trouble. Can you specify what exactly goes wrong? Some source maybe?

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      • lumzi2329 Jul 2013 @ 13:36

        I don't know what it does but I have been suffering from good sound/bad sound ever since I got this card. Yesterday I noticed it got better again all of a sudden so I got mad decided to to open my system. I had a hunch that something was still connected because I had done tips 2 and 3 of my list. I saw "HD Audio" connected to the "front panel" part of the card and on a hunch decided to remove it.

        The results? I don't think the card has ever sounded so good. Like night and bloody day. I don't know whether connecting "HD Audio" to the motherboard causes trouble but it seems confirmed to me that it causes trouble when connected to the card. It seems better to me to just leave it be and I remember someone on another site/forum somewhere suggesting something similar (I think) but I didn't understand enough about the card or my system to general to make use of the advice. It seems true to me going by the results I have seen.

        Seriously, it sounds like liquid awesome right now and the good sound/bad sound thing where the sound quality keeps changing over time has gone. And the sound isn't merely good now, IT'S GREAT!

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        • PTmax29 Jul 2013 @ 14:01

          Interesting....
          I will try this when I get home and post my results.
          Although I don't generally use the front panel's audio connectors, I suppose I could sacrifice that option if I got some qualitiy out of it.
          One question though...
          I guess you don't connect any sound input/output ( I mean speakers/earphones or mic) to your case's front panel or other panels. You only use your sound cards connectors for sound input/output?

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        • semtexxl29 Jul 2013 @ 15:01

          @lumzi23

          Very interesting. I have finally found someone with similar problem like mine. I know exactly what you mean by good/bad sound variations from time to time or all of sudden. However I can find anything like 'HD Audio' connector inside my pc. Can you please post some picture? I'm suffering for those sound drops even when I install different driver version. Bass is circulating like sometimes you can barely hear it and sometimes is very boomy and not only in sub but also in front channel. Bass redirection is turned on so I have still no idea where is the problem here. Thanks for response.

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        • ch0plol30 Jul 2013 @ 08:22

          The HD Audio wire is just a connection to your front panel header. I don't see why that would make any difference whether it's plugged or unplugged. It also wouldn't be a virus either, a virus wouldn't be doing that.

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          • lumzi2331 Jul 2013 @ 00:23

            Then I'm stumped. Shogun 2 is a good example. There was some details I suddenly picked up that day that I had never heard before. Now I can here them again. It also just doesn't sound as smooth, clear or 'detailed' as before. Guild Wars 2 in particular sounded like a totally different game.

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  11. Bas ten Tusscher29 Jul 2013 @ 13:57

    I just updated my soundcard (x-fi xtreme music) to the Asus Essence ST, but it's driving me crazy. I always used the ASIO setting in JRiver without problems, but the Essence ST keeps stuttering. Changing buffer settings makes no difference, a higher latency (50ms) only a little bit. I used a latency checker to see whats happening and it looks like it peaks a lot. WASAPI is working without problems, but I don't like the soundquality. I tried every driver, from Unified to the latest from Asus. Somebody recognise this problem? Any more tips or tricks? Makes me almost want to go back to Creative..... Help is much apperciated!!

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    • Roger29 Jul 2013 @ 15:05

      I've had the same problems, foobar worked (but I didn't like the sound) right but JRiver gave the same problems as described above. Tried a lot of things but nothing worked. My suggestion is that the AMD motherboard (Zacate) was the problem. I've built a new PC and it functions without problems, lowest latency settings etc.

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    • propheticus30 Jul 2013 @ 00:44

      Just use DirectSound. Sounds just as good and less prone to buggy ASIO behaviour.

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      • Roger30 Jul 2013 @ 15:34

        As far as I know the Asus needs ASIO for bitperfect playback.

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        • Bas ten Tusscher30 Jul 2013 @ 18:14

          Thought so too, Asio - Wasapi - DirectSound, from best to worst....

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          • propheticus31 Jul 2013 @ 14:48

            Asio - low latency and bit-perfect
            Wasapi - low(-ish) latency and can be bit-perfect*
            DirectSound - longer latency and can be bit-perfect*

            Sound quality (when no bugs/user errors): roughly the same

            *:requires certain settings to be setup correctly.

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        • propheticus31 Jul 2013 @ 14:35

          If you need bit-perfect (really only needed for pass-through of digital formats to your receiver for decoding as-is), use a digital out (s/pdif or optical). If you use an already decoded output, bit-perfect is not needed. hint: most DACs use delta-sigma modulation (with oversampling), even the most expensive/highly rated. So after the D->A conversion the signal is no longer bit perfect... They still sound good though.
          The differences between bit-perfect and not bit-perfect are so small, that it's improbable (almost certainly impossible) to be humanly perceptable. Bust this myth already. That many people spread the same misinformation doesn't make it true...

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          • Bas ten Tusscher31 Jul 2013 @ 18:49

            Can you explain to me the difference in sound (more open, liquid, less muffled) when I try ASIO compared to DirectSound with HF setting? The difference is definitely there....

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            • propheticus01 Aug 2013 @ 05:08

              Volume change (asio -> no volume control), Bandwagon effect (many people claimiing asio's superior sq), Selective perception, placebo/nocebo (expecting DirectSound to be detrimental to sq, thus you perceive this), Belief bias (prior 'knowledge' tells you an api/layer is more interference/meddling with data = bad for sq), Confirmation bias, Choice-supportive bias (after having decided asio was likely the best choise, you support this). see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases
              What you believe/perceive is definitely there...might not be. Try comparing them in a blind listening test (equal volume!).

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            • propheticus01 Aug 2013 @ 05:14

              or... of course, there's something wrong with the drivers or windows install. sample rate conversion was borked but has been fixed (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2653312)

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  12. Bas ten Tusscher29 Jul 2013 @ 16:08

    Thanks Roger. I fear my future will look the same...... Do you think it;s a good idea to try Windowd 7 instead of my current Windows 8 64bit?

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  13. Bas ten Tusscher30 Jul 2013 @ 09:49

    HTPC system specs: Asus P5k Deluxe, C2D6600, 4gb ram, M4 SSD, Samsung F1 hdd, Seasonic power supply, Radeon HD7770, Asus Xonar Essence ST, LG DVD drive. Any idea?

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    • Roger30 Jul 2013 @ 15:33

      No, sorry. Have you tried a different video card?

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      • Bas ten Tusscher31 Jul 2013 @ 09:57

        Windows 7 gives the same problem... Different video card makes nog difference....

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        • Roger03 Aug 2013 @ 23:24

          Ok, I assume you've disabled all other audio like HDMI, onboard etc. I can't help you, had the same problems but didn't find a solution. As I said built a new PC, no problems at all.......

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  14. lumzi2331 Jul 2013 @ 02:14

    In the Device Manager should I disable something called High Definition Audio Controller? It is under the section 'system devices.'

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    • lumzi2331 Jul 2013 @ 03:20

      I uninstalled it. Seems to have done the trick but we'll see. Don't want to raise any more false alarms? :p

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    • lumzi2331 Jul 2013 @ 22:29

      I ask again. Should I delete high definition audio controller? What does it do?

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      • semtexxl31 Jul 2013 @ 22:57

        I believe this represents your onboard audio which is already disabled in bios I guess. I have similar thing called Multimedia audio controller in device manager with alert of no driver installed with my old AC97 onboard. Yours motherboard is relatively new model so yours is called something like Realtek HD. I believe you already uninstalled this controller judging by your previous post?! Or is this something else? I deleted it anyway.

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        • lumzi2331 Jul 2013 @ 23:16

          I uninstalled but the rude thing went and installed itself right back. Also, I did a little test. I enabled onboard and disabled the STX and listened to some music I have listened to a lot (to see if there would be a difference. The result? Absolutely no difference. It appears' that somehow the sound card is on but not doing any of the sound processing(?) work. I even hear the clicks during start up but I am somehow getting bog standard sound. I am at my wits end. I have the card connected to a PCI-e x16 slot. Any help from anywhere would be profusely appreciated. Carved?

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          • CarvedInside01 Aug 2013 @ 01:23

            I don't exactly understand what's the problem you are having is. Firstly the HD Audio Controller in device manager is either the onboard audio card or HDMI audio output from the video card. You can leave it as it is or disable it, it does not matter. Secondly the fact that the music seems to you the same with both the onboard and STX card, it does not mean that the your STX playing the music processed by the onboard audio card or whatever. The differences are not night and day, these dedicated cards improve aspects of the sound and not change it radically. There is also the type of music, music format, amp and speakers used and your ears sensitivity at play. If you really need to check and convince yourself that the STX does the processing, you can check with RMAA audio test suite. You can find the documentation to do so on their site.

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            • lumzi2301 Aug 2013 @ 15:19

              Thanks for the response I understand a bit better. I guess I'll have more peace of mind now. The RMAA refuses to install though.

              One last question. I heard that when you install a pci-e x1 card into a into something like an x16 slot that it matters if you leave the that tab at the end of the slot up or down (since it doesn't snap automatically due to the smaller card). Is this true?

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          • semtexxl01 Aug 2013 @ 12:28

            Well I have to agree with Carved here. If you listen lossy mp3 and crappy sources like “loudness war” cds you will notice no difference and decrease in sound quality. It will sound much worse with your STX card. You will here the true 'quality' will all distortions, noises and no dynamics. The card will shine with quality lossless music which is the true point of have such nice dac here. 😉

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            • lumzi2301 Aug 2013 @ 15:22

              I typically listen to music uncompressed from cd's (Austin Wintory's Journey soundtrack for instance) in foobar2000. Is this still not good enough? Also my headset is Sennheiser PC360.

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            • propheticus01 Aug 2013 @ 15:35

              Try getting a lossless (FLAC or APE) version of Arne Domnérus - Jazz at the Pawnshop (1976). XRCD version of 1996. It's a very detailed recording.
              Avoid badly encoded (low bitrate) mp3, youtube music videos. Garbage in = garbage out. Most important are good source material and a good set of headphones/speakers. The DAC /amp has the least influence, almost all modern soundcards (even on-board chips) are of such a quality that it might be hard to tell a difference at all. The improvements of dedicated soundcards now often lie beyond what we humans can hear/differentiate.

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              • lumzi2301 Aug 2013 @ 17:06

                Could you give a link for the file. Also, I tried to connect the headset to the front of the case but I get no sound at all. I have the HDAudio cable connected back to the card. Is it because I disabled on board in the bios?

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                • propheticus01 Aug 2013 @ 17:19

                  I'm not going to link to warez, search for yourself. You need to switch to front headphone output in the Xonar Audio centre or use the front panel switch app you can download from this page. It doesn't switch to front panel output automatically with these drivers. You could have read this in the FAQ (question 3).

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              • Bruno Ferreira01 Aug 2013 @ 17:38

                Propheticus, I quite disagree. In this day and age, the DAC has by far the biggest impact in sound quality. Case in point: my Xonar D2X.

                1) For years I used an Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro. Eventually came to discover that its resampling was crap....

                2) ... and that Realtek onboard audio sounded *better*. YES, REALLY. Why? Because this was on because it was a Gigabyte motherboard which has pretty decent DACs. They made all the difference.

                3) Then I got some Logitech Z-5500 speakers, and eventually the Xonar. The speakers' DAC was pretty bad so I used the Xonar's analog outputs which gave me far superior.sound quality. This wasn't a "slightly better" thing, it was OBVIOUS the moment I switched, especially regarding the bass.

                4) Then I got a Sony receiver and some Tannoy bookshelf speakers and a Rel subwoofer. I continued using the analog outs on the Xonar, but eventually switched to digital output. I discovered that the DAC on the Sony receiver has much better response in high mids/treble, that is, I can hear drum snares and cymbals a lot better.

                So your mileage may vary quite a lot!

                Now, granted, the difference in case #3/4 was much smaller than in case #2/3, but it's definitely there.

                My own rules tips for getting the best sound quality:

                1) Disable all EQ, effects, 5.1 positioning thingies, etc. Keep it simple.

                2) Keep your volume at maximum output always on the computer, and lower it on your speakers as you see fit [note: on the Xonar, 1:1 volume in speaker settings is 75]. Low volume on the soundcard output is bad for two reasons:
                (a) when using analog outputs, the sound-to-noise ratio implicitly lowers since you have lower volume and the same noise
                (b) very similarly, when using digital outputs, a very similar effect happens, but by virtue of using less information for the same audio (this can be explained further if needed)

                3) Speaker positioning! Move them around, and angle them to see what works better.

                4) If you have speakers/receiver with digital input, try using both the analog outs (soundcard output) and the digital out (speakers/receiver) output and judging what sounds better. You may be surprised at how good or bad the different DACs can be.

                5) Use EQ *if necessary*. You'll be surprised at how a little EQ can improve your sound, especially in the midrange, given that most cheap speakers have crap bass and treble. Small adjustments only!

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                • propheticus01 Aug 2013 @ 21:59

                  Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro is almost 10 years old. I was talking about recent sound cards and on board dac chips (for example the realtek alc898) . Otherwise I agree. Keep it simple and use a sane output volume when going analogue from pc to receiver, otherwise you're amplifying noise (when output sound is lower it's closer to the noise level so SNR decreases).
                  That the Xonar and Sony receiver sounded so differently seems indicative of another problem. The Xonar's resampling is rather good. So either the Sony receiver is worse in and adds aliasing/sibilance. If it really is due to resampling try setting the card to exactly the format you feed it (music mostly 16bit/44.1khz) or use ASIO. If this doesn't fix it, the problem is not in the Xonar's resampling. Could be many things such as bad wiring/connectors or a difference in performance of the Sony receiver's analogue and digital input circuitry. Sound very case specific.
                  Anyone should of course use what works/sounds best to them. Was just arguing why lumzi might not hear any difference between his on-board and dedicated soundcards.

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  15. Technics31 Jul 2013 @ 13:49

    Re hi 😉 I have Hdav Hdmi, install latest driver & HT4 Addon on WİN 8. HT4 Panel its working, but not active. its normal?

    Reply

    • CarvedInside31 Jul 2013 @ 19:45

      Hi. This is not the section for discussing & troubleshooting 3rd party addons. Use the dedicated topic.

      Reply

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